Pontifical Visit 11/17/2013

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8 thoughts on “Pontifical Visit 11/17/2013

  1. Rdr. James Morgan November 21, 2013 at 12:18 am Reply

    I have a lot of respect for Bp. Jerome, but if he is without jurisdiction and retired, why is he carrying a crosier, which is an emblem of jurisdiction? And I’m glad to see my former Metropolitan Jonah (a personal friend, I hope) here!

    • srmarymeow November 22, 2013 at 8:45 am Reply

      He is not without jurisdiction. He is still a part of ROCOR, and had the blessing of Metropolitan Hilarion to come visit us; he was invited to celebrate Divine Liturgy. He was also under the blessing of +MH to elevate Fr. Bernard to ArchPriest. Whether or not he is retired or semi-retired is a matter that would be better explained by His Eminence, +MH. I can only tell you that the visit was wonderful, Metropolitan Jonah delivered a wonderful Sermon, and the Fellowship was heavenly.

  2. Tom November 26, 2013 at 12:57 pm Reply

    Was this a Catholic service with an incoming procession? (Wave to the camera..) What is that garb Bp. Jerome is in? I like the little tails in the back. Open alter? Surprised they did not face the crowd to pray at them! At least one Bishop knew how to dress properly. How can they sit in the presence of God – he must have not been there, they are all seated!

    • srmarymeow November 29, 2013 at 12:49 pm Reply

      This was a Tridentine High Mass in the Western Rite. Bp. Jerome is wearing his Western Rite vestments. Our building does not have an iconostasis, and since we are WR, it is not required for us to add one (also, we do not own the building, we rent it). Both Bishop Jerome and Metropolitan Jonah were properly dressed. And again, we are not Eastern Rite, so if our people want to sit, they are free to do so. People with physical limitations shouldn’t be expected to stand over an hour anyway….and we have several folks in our congregation who have such limitations.

      Your comment seems rather judgmental to me, and I would suggest that rather than pointing out what you think might be wrong about the way the WR Parishes conduct their services, perhaps you should make it a matter of prayer. Maybe then the Lord will soften your heart.

  3. Desiderius Beneventanensis March 6, 2014 at 8:28 pm Reply

    Tom, is surely realizing for the first time that a “western rite liturgy” does exist in certain churches within the orthodox church, mostly in the USA and France. He is probably confused by it, assuming it may be that they are having ecumenism with Roman Catholics, which they are not.

    I think that the open altar is however a legitimate criticism and concern. Having a makeshift templon would probably be the best solution. A templon is basically an iconostasis without icons in it, it would give a more solid structure, upon which a curtain could be attached, which would provide the visibility many westerners expect, but also would during the communion consecration, if it had a curtain, provide a way of veiling what is occuring harmonious with the current eastern and earlier western view. A templon is very similar to a rood screen, except it is slightly closer to the altar, rood screens are further away and usually have a choir section for the choir inbetween them and the altar. In this way

    This is a picture of a maronite churches apse with a curtain near the altar, this is shown here: ttp://i38.tinypic.com/3536tc7.jpg

    In many average latin rite parish churches from before 1100, the entire apse was enclosed and only had one, two or three doors to enter in. There is no question that history is on the side of a more enclosed hidden altar, than an overly open easily accessible one.

    The below links contain documentation in support of these facts. The fact that the side is non-canonical should not matter as it is quite accurate in it’s statements.

    http://westernorthodoxchristian.blogspot.com/2014/01/material-concering-screens-and-veils-in.html?spref=tw
    http://westernorthodoxchristian.blogspot.com/2012/08/altar-screens-and-curtains-in-west.html

    Irregardless of this, it is pleasing that the latin liturgy continues to survive in communion with the holy orthodoxy church. Short term deficiencies have no bearing on longterm advancements toward the apostolic tradition.

  4. srmarymeow March 20, 2014 at 9:58 am Reply

    The link to your picture doesn’t work. If you could provide another source, I would like to see what it is you’re describing.

    Again, we do not own the building, and I am not sure how much the installation of a templon would cost. We are not a wealthy Parish, so we are unlikely to undertake any construction causing any expense that is not absolutely necessary.

    Thank you for your comment. I will pass it along to Fr. Bernard.

  5. srmarymeow March 30, 2014 at 5:27 pm Reply

    I recently received two rather nasty comments from someone who did not identify himself that I have trashed. I will not dignify them with a response. Just a note to anyone who posts comments on this topic in the future: I will not tolerate nastiness and Pharisaical comments on this page, not toward me, my Parish Priest, our Jurisdiction or our Leadership. I also will not tolerate negative and hateful speech against Abp. Anthony Bondi — who has left ROCOR and is again Archbishop in a different jurisdiction.

    Whether or not any of you agree or disagree with anything Abp. Anthony may or may not have done in his past prior to becoming Orthodox, that’s none of my business OR yours. To the person whose comments I rejected and trashed — shame on you for being so judgmental. How about you take a long hard look in the mirror and worry about the plank you have in your own eyes before you go and judge others. Last time I checked, the only One who is Perfect is Christ, and you are not Him.

  6. Matthew Taylor April 29, 2014 at 7:13 pm Reply

    So beautiful and amazing. Truly a vision of Heaven on earth. Wishing there was a Western Rite Orthodox parish in my area of northeastern Maryland. Pax Christi to you all and congratulations to those ordained and elevated in Christ’s church.

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